1108 Indonesia & Malaysia say they will not meddle in China's suppression of Uighurs

Indonesia & Malaysia say they will not meddle in China's suppression of
Uighurs

Newsletter published on January 17, 2020

(1) Dr. Olsi Jazexhi says "There's no Muslim block"
(2) China is treating the Uyghurs like Israel the Palestinians
(3) Dr. Olsi Jazexhi’s visit to Chinese "re-education" centers: Went in
to expose "Western Propaganda", came out exposing the concentration camps
(4) Malaysia won't intervene, because it's too small to face up to the
Asian powerhouse
(5) Indonesia says it will not meddle in China’s Uighur debate
(6) Xinjiang: A Clash of Creeds

(1) Dr. Olsi Jazexhi says "There's no Muslim block"
- by Peter Myers, January 17, 2020

As you know, there are many viewpoints in this mailing list. I hope you
won't be disappointed when some speak their mind, and express opinions
contrary to yours. Feel free to reply.

Today's topic is especially sensitive, dealing with the Uighur issue in
Xinjiang. Several people left this mailing list because China's
persecution of Uighurs was covered recently. There is a view that  a
'united front' is needed against the Anglo-Zionist empire, and thus we
should turn a blind eye to the failings of lesser bullies.

Dr. Olsi Jazexhi is a journalist from Albania, which was one of the few
countries to side with Mao against the Soviet Union. It also happens to
be a Muslim country.

In his youtube videos below, he explains how he went to Xinjiang to
expose what he thought was "Western Propaganda", but came away shocked
at China's treatment of the Uighurs.

He says that "There's no Muslim block". Although some Muslim countries,
eg Turkey, criticize China, Saudi Arabia and most others have been cowed
into submission by the need for Chineses trade and investment.

Muslim countries are weak, he says. Malaysia and Indonesia are not
beholden to the Sunni Arab block, but dare not come out against China
because of its power in their region.

China should learn from Putin's handling of the Checken uprising, and
find a solution that does not involve genocide and the destruction of
priceless Silk Road heritage.

(2) China is treating the Uyghurs like Israel the Palestinians

From: Ken Freeland <diogenesquest@gmail.com>
Subject: Watch "Discussion with Halmurat: China is treating the Uyghurs
like Israel the Palestinians" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/7tb3RMP0Pqc

Strong confirmation of your concern for the Uyghurs

(3) Dr. Olsi Jazexhi’s visit to Chinese "re-education" centers: Went in
to expose "Western Propaganda", came out exposing the concentration camps
https://uhrp.org/news-commentary/dr-olsi-jazexhi’s-visit-chinese-"re-education"-centers-went-expose-"western

Dr. Olsi Jazexhi’s visit to Chinese "re-education" centers: Went in to
expose "Western Propaganda", came out exposing the concentration camps

Published Mon, 08/26/2019 - 19:58

Dr. Olsi Jazexhi (Olsi Yazeji)

Uighur Times

Aug 26, 2019

"I am sorry my Chinese friends, what you are doing to these people there
is no law in the world that can justify it." This is what Dr. Olsi
Jazexhi said after his recent trip to the "re-education" camps in East
Turkistan, which was organized by the Chinese regime.

Dr. Olsi Jazexhi is a Canadian-Albanian historian who is specialized in
the history of Islam, nationalism and religious reformation in
Southeastern Europe. His interest covers nationalism, radicalism,
religious and ethnic identities in the Balkans. He holds a fairly
negative attitude against western powers led by the US, especially their
policies and influence in Albania. This is probably one of the reasons
why the Chinese regime invited him as one of the reporters on the
pre-arranged "visit" in Xinjiang (a.k.a. East Turkistan) to tell the
world via these reporters that concentration camps are just a false
"propaganda"  of the west.

However, Dr. Jazexhi and other reporters from India, Afghanistan,
Bangladesh, and Turkey have all witnessed modern-day concentration camps
and a model of George Orwell’s "1984" in the real world.

In his video testimony published on Youtube, Dr. Olsi says that his
original intention when he visited Xinjiang (a.k.a. East Turkistan) was
to obtain proofs for the American led international "propaganda" against
the Chinese government on the issue of Uighur concentration camps. On
the contrary, he has witnessed prison-like camps and mass detention of
innocent Uighur people.

This was a pre-arranged orchestrated "visit" and all the reporters were
only allowed to visit designated areas and interview people that were
approved by the Chinese officials. Wherever the reporters went, they
were always followed by the Chinese officials. If these reporters are
horrified by what they have seen, then how much worse the real situation is?

"When I went to Xinjiang, I did not intend to report anything bad about
you. I came with a good intention. I wanted to understand what is going
on and to defend you against the Western propaganda" tells Dr. Olsi to
the Chinese authorities, "But when I saw what is going on I was shocked,
how can you tolerate these things?"

Dr. Jazexhi also compares the current persecution of Uighurs and the
so-called "re-education centers" to the persecution of Kosovo’s ethnic
Albanians by Yugoslavia. He and other reporters were ‘threatened’ not to
report anything negative about China by a Chinese official named Mr. Li
prior to their departure from China.

Finally, Dr. Jazexhi calls on the Chinese government to learn from the
history, to accept Islam as part of China, to close the concentration
camps and to leave the Uighurs and other ethnic groups to live freely
and respect their rights. He says that China’s current policy of mass
detention of Uighurs will lead to worse violent resistance movement by
Uighurs against China.

Links to Dr. Olsi Jazexhi’s YouTube videos:

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC1THdpRCPI

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwYNOx7KG0s

(4) Malaysia won't intervene, because it's too small to face up to the
Asian powerhouse
From: Eric Walberg <walberg2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Left Denial of Uighur Genocide is like Left's Denial of Ukraine
   Famine in the 1930s

i've had good debate with greg godels at marism leninism today.

A couple of links explaining the dust up over Indonesian Muslims being
accused of being bought off by the Wall Street Journal:

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2019/12/23/moeldoko-says-indonesia-will-not-meddle-in-chinas-uighur-debate.html

https://nusadaily.com/en/news/these-are-the-seven-official-messages-of-muhammadiyah-to-address-uighur-muslim-issues.html

These are the Seven Official Messages of Muhammadiyah to Address Uighur
Muslim Issues - Nusa Daily

my response:
the indonesians are still in suharto-land.

mahathir is more forthright:
he refused to interfere because

Malaysia is too small to face up to the Asian powerhouse, even though
Chinese ships surveying its waters for oil and gas in South China Sea do
so without permission, he told an online news service during a visit to
New York this week. "We watch what they are doing, we report what they
are doing, but we do not chase them away or try to be aggressive,"
Mahathir told BenarNews. "The Malay states have existed near China for
the past 2,000 years. We have survived because we know how to conduct
ourselves."

like i said, everyone (except US and euro lackeys) is afraid to speak
out. china is the new kid (ie bully) on the block. just wait till they
really start flexing their muscles.
i hope i'm wrong.

 > Western media may be making the PRC the bad guy to cover the
documented and intensifying slaughter of Muslims at the hands of the US,
Israel, and NATO.

my response: yes! but it's the logic of the system. media must do what
the deep state thinks. when i see a nyt editorial 'the reasons for
targeting soleimani' i could scream. but the talking head is so warped,
he thinks he's enlightening us!

i write now more to make the case not just for postmodernism for
postsecularism. china's brave new world is not my goal. it's foolish of
china. looking at history, you can't wipe out islam. it always springs
back.

reply: The same could be said for Communism. I may be deluded, but I
believe that sectarianism is receding in the Middle East and a genuine
secular and Islamic progressive movement may be on the rise (Sudan,
Lebanon, Iraq...).

(5) Indonesia says it will not meddle in China’s Uighur debate

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2019/12/23/moeldoko-says-indonesia-will-not-meddle-in-chinas-uighur-debate.html

Moeldoko says Indonesia will not meddle in China’s Uighur debate

The Jakarta Post

Jakarta   /   Mon, December 23, 2019   /   06:21 pm

Indonesia will not meddle in the alleged persecution of Uighur Muslims
in China, a presidential advisor has said, in the latest statement to
indicate Chinese pressure on the world’s largest Muslim-majority country.

Presidential Chief of Staff Moeldoko told reporters Monday that the
government would not be poking its nose in another country’s business,
framing the plight of the Uighur as China’s internal affairs.

"Every country has the sovereign right to manage its own citizens, so
the Indonesian government will not meddle in the internal affairs of
China," Moeldoko said at his office in Jakarta, as quoted by Tempo.co.

His statement comes following fresh scrutiny against some of Indonesia’s
largest Muslim groups, including Nahdlatul Ulama, Muhammadiyah and the
Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI), for accepting the advances of the
Chinese government in the alleged internment of the Uighurs, a minority
distinct from China's ethnic Han.

A recent Wall Street Journal report alleged that the organizations had
been "persuaded" by the Chinese government to remain silent on the issue
by sponsoring visits to the Xinjiang region, the location of the
controversial Uighur "reeducation" camps.

Beijing has denied allegations of human rights violations against the
Uighurs.

Opinions in Indonesia are split on how best to approach the situation,
amid perceived discrimination of Muslim minorities around the world.

Muhammadiyah chairman Haedar Nashir said that in the case of the
Uighurs, the organization insisted the government had to be fair, even
when relations with other countries turned complicated.

If there was discrimination involved, Haedar said, Indonesia should act
in accordance with the mandate of the 1945 Constitution to maintain
world peace based on independence and social justice. "We ask that
Indonesia also take a firm stance," Haedar said in Yogyakarta on Sunday.

However, Moeldoko insisted the government would not get involved. "I
think it is internationally accepted not to meddle in another country’s
affairs," he said. (tjs)

(6) Xinjiang: A Clash of Creeds

From: Michael

All question of "human rights" aside, the fundamental issue with the
Uyghur vs. Han Chinese is the incompatibility of two totalitarian creeds
in collision. The essential nature of each is so grounded in certitude
and righteousness that it will not, cannot, accommodate the other.

The difference today is that the PRC has much more force in terms of
numbers and firepower, and will not abide any challenge to it. Thus
Uyghur are forced to eat during Ramadan, for example.

Islam plays nice when its numbers are small and communities in a
position of vulnerability. Once numbers reach a critical mass and
influence grows, its adherents become first assertive, then demanding
and finally set on conquest.

The Chinese Communist Party has no intention to conform to such an
alternative totalitarian stance.

I offer this appraisal as someone who has lived with Muslims for many
years. We get along very well and are mutually supportive; I have
nothing against the faith and keep my mouth shut about it. I am,
however, a careful observer.

Comment (Peter M.):

Incompatibility of creeds would be more acceptable than a clash of
races. But Clash of races does also occur in China - with the Tibetans
for example.

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