Interview with Osama bin Laden, 28 September 2001. He denies Involvement
(1) The Osama bin Laden Myth - Paul Craig Roberts
with Osama bin Laden, 28 September 2001. He denies
(3) Interview with Muhammad Bashir, who lives next door to Abbottabad
“compound” of Osama
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(1) The Osama bin Laden Myth - Paul Craig Roberts
Osama bin Laden Myth
Paul Craig Roberts
The interview below with Osama bin Laden was conducted by the
Pakistan, daily newspaper, Ummat and published on September 28,
days after the alleged, but unsubstantiated, al Qaeda attack of
September 11, 2001, on the World Trade Center twin towers and Pentagon.
The interview was sensational. The alleged “mastermind” of 9/11 said
that he and al Qaeda had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack. The British
Broadcasting Corporation’s World Monitoring Service had the interview
translated into English and made public on September 29, 2001.
bin Laden’s sensational denial was not reported by the US print
media. It was not investigated by the executive branch. No one in
Congress called attention to bin Laden’s refusal of
responsibility for the
greatest humiliation ever inflicted on a superpower.
To check my memory
of the lack of coverage, I googled “Osama bin Laden’s
responsibility for 9/11.” Some Internet sites
reproduced the interview, but
the only mainstream news source that I
found was a 1 minute YouTube video
from CNN in which the anchor, after
quoting an al Jazeera report of bin
Laden’s denial, concludes that “we
can all weigh that in the scale of
credibility and come to our own
conclusions.” In other words, bin Laden had
already been demonized, and
his denial was not credible.
sensational news was unfit for US citizens and was withheld from
them by the
american “free press,” a press free to lie for the
government but not to
tell the truth.
Obviously, if bin Laden had outwitted not only the
Agency, the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and the
FBI, but also
all 16 US intelligence agencies, all intelligence agencies of
Washington’s NATO puppet states, Israel’s Mossad, and in addition the
National Security Council, NORAD, US air traffic control, and airport
security four times on the same morning, it would be the greatest feat
in world history, a movement building feat that would have made al Qaeda
the most successful anti-imperialist organization in human history, an
extraordinary victory over “the great satan” that would have brought
millions of new recruits into al Qaeda’s ranks. Yet the alleged
“mastermind” denied all responsibility.
I remember decades ago when a
terrorist attack occurred in Europe,
whether real or an Operation Gladio
false flag attack,
innumerable organizations would claim credit. Perhaps
this was the CIA’s
way of diverting attention from itself, but it
illustrates that every
intelligence service understands the value to an
claiming credit for a successful attack. Although bin Laden
responsibility, in 2011 some al Qaeda leaders, realizing the prestige
value of the 9/11 attack, claimed credit for the attack and criticized
Iranian President Ahmadinejad for questioning the official US
Although only a few Americans are aware of the September 28, 2001
interview in which bin Laden states his non-involvement with the 9/11
attacks, many Americans have seen post-2001 videos in which a person
alleged to be bin Laden takes credit for the attacks. There are two
problems with these videos. Experts have examined them and found them to
be fakes, and all of the videos appeared after bin Laden was reported by
the Pakistan Observer, the Egyptian press, and Fox News to have died in
mid-December, 2001, from lung disease.
Laden also suffered from kidney disease. According to a CBS news
January 28, 2002, Osama bin Laden was hospitalized for
dialysis treatment in
the Pakistani military hospital in Rawalpindi on
September 10, 2001, the day
a man suffering from terminal lung and kidney disease did not
another decade to be murdered by a US Navy SEAL team in
Pakistani TV interview with the neighbor of the alleged
“bin Laden compound”
exposed the assassination hoax. This sensational
interview also went
unreported by america’s “free press.” I had the
interview translated, and it
is available here:
See also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13329078
after the alleged assassination 30 members of the SEAL unit died
mysterious helicopter crash in Afghanistan, and now we learn that
single one of the thousands of sailors on the aircraft carrier,
the USS Carl
Vinson, witnessed bin Laden’s alleged burial at sea from
that ship. The
press reports with a straight face that for unexplained
reasons it was kept
secret from the ship’s sailors. This is supposed to
be the explanation of
the sailors’ emails reporting to family and
friends that they witnessed no
burial at sea. Some speculate that the
SEALs were bumped off before their
questions to one another, “Were you
on that raid?,” reached outside the
unit. Apparently, it doesn’t strike
the media or the public as strange that
the US government captured and
killed the terror mastermind without
interrogating him and without
keeping any evidence or presenting any
witnesses to support the
Adolf Hitler claimed
that communists burned down the Reichstag and that
Polish troops had crossed
the frontier and attacked Germany. With 9/11
Washington’s version of these grand lies. An
omniscient bin Laden dying from
terminal illnesses in distant
Afghanistan defeated the American National
Security State and drove his
attack through the walls of the Pentagon
itself, requiring for our
defense a “war on terror” that destroyed US civil
financially ruined the country in order to prevent the triumph
of a man
who died of natural causes in December 2001.
On May 9, 2011,
Professor Michel Chossudovsky republished the September
28, 2001, Osama bin
Laden interview in Global Research.
(2) Interview with Osama bin Laden,
28 September 2001. He denies
Involvement in 9/11
Global Research, May 09, 2011
Research Editor’s Note
We bring to the attention of our readers the following
text of Osama bin
Laden’s interview with Ummat, a Pakistani daily, published
in Karachi on
September 28, 2001. It was translated into English by the BBC
Monitoring Service and made public on September 29, 2001.
authenticity of this interview, which is available in recognized
news archives, is confirmed.
Osama bin Laden categorically denies his
involvement in the 9/11 attacks.
Bin Laden’s statements in this interview
are markedly different from
those made in the alleged Osama video
In this interview, Osama bin Laden exhibits an understanding of US
foreign policy. He expresses his views regarding the loss of life on
9/11. He also makes statements as to who, in his opinion, might be the
likely perpetrator of the September 11 attacks.
This is an important
text which has not been brought to the attention of
We have highlighted key sections of this interview. It is our
the text of this interview, published barely a week before the
the war on Afghanistan, will contribute to a better understanding
history of Al Qaeda, the role of Osama bin Laden and the tragic
of September 11, 2001.
Michel Chossudovsky, May 9,
Full text of September 2001 Pakistani paper’s “exclusive” interview
Ummat (in Urdu), Karachi, 28 September 2001,
pp. 1 and 7.
Kabul: Prominent Arab mojahed holy warrior Usamah Bin-Ladin
that he or his al-Qa’idah group has nothing to do with the 11
suicidal attacks in Washington and New York. He said the US
should find the attackers within the country. In an exclusive
with daily “Ummat”, he said these attacks could be the act of
are part of the American system and are rebelling against it and
for some other system. Or, Usamah said, this could be the act of
who want to make the current century a century of conflict between
and Christianity. Or, the American Jews, who are opposed to President
Bush ever since the Florida elections, might be the masterminds of this
act. There is also a great possibility of the involvement of US
intelligence agencies, which need billions of dollars worth of funds
every year. He said there is a government within the government in the
The secret agencies, he said, should be asked as to
who are behind the
attacks. Usamah said support for attack on Afghanistan
was a matter of
need for some Muslim countries and compulsion for others.
said, he was thankful to the courageous people of Pakistan who
bulwark before the wrong forces. He added that the Islamic world
attaching great expectations with Pakistan and, in time of need, “we
will protect this bulwark by sacrificing of lives”.
Following is the
interview in full detail:
Ummat: You have been accused of involvement in
the attacks in New York
and Washington. What do you want to say about this?
If you are not
involved, who might be?
Usamah [Osama bin Laden]: In
the name of Allah, the most beneficent, the
most merciful. Praise be to
Allah, Who is the creator of the whole
universe and Who made the earth as an
abode for peace, for the whole
mankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent
Prophet Muhammad for our
guidance. I am thankful to the Ummat Group of
Publications, which gave
me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the
the valiant and Momin true Muslim people of Pakistan
who refused to
believe in lie of the demon.
I have already said that
I am not involved in the 11 September attacks
in the United States. As a
Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie.
I had no knowledge of these
attacks, nor do I consider the killing of
innocent women, children, and
other humans as an appreciable act. Islam
strictly forbids causing harm to
innocent women, children, and other people.
Such a practice is forbidden
ever in the course of a battle. It is the
United States, which is
perpetrating every maltreatment on women,
children, and common people of
other faiths, particularly the followers
of Islam. All that is going on in
Palestine for the last 11 months is
sufficient to call the wrath of God upon
the United States and Israel.
There is also a warning for those Muslim
countries, which witnessed all
these as a silent spectator. What had earlier
been done to the innocent
people of Iraq, Chechnya, and Bosnia?
one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United
and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the
these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is
anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim
countries is just a
show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating
these countries, the United
States is forcing them to play a role of its
choice. Put a glance all around
and you will see that the slaves of the
United States are either rulers or
enemies of Muslims.
The US has no friends, nor does it want to keep any
prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend
consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal
to it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are
either its slaves or subordinates.
However, our case is different. We
have pledged slavery to God Almighty
alone and after this pledge there is no
possibility to become the slave
of someone else. If we do that, it will be
disregardful to both our
Sustainer and his fellow beings. Most of the world
their freedom are the religious ones, which are the
enemies of United
States, or the latter itself considers them as its
enemies. Or the
countries, which do not agree to become its slaves, such as
Libya, Cuba, Syria, and the former Russia as
Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends
American people. I have already said that we are against the American
system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common
American people have been killed.
According to my information, the
death toll is much higher than what the
US government has stated. But the
Bush administration does not want the
panic to spread. The United States
should try to trace the perpetrators
of these attacks within itself; the
people who are a part of the US
system, but are dissenting against it. Or
those who are working for some
other system; persons who want to make the
present century as a century
of conflict between Islam and Christianity so
that their own
civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive.
They can be
any one, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the
itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups,
which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot
forget the American Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since
the elections in Florida and want to avenge him.
Then there are
intelligence agencies in the US, which require billions
of dollars worth of
funds from the Congress and the government every
year. This funding issue
was not a big problem till the existence of the
former Soviet Union but
after that the budget of these agencies has been
needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usamah
Taleban and then this incident happened. You see, the Bush
approved a budget of 40bn dollars. Where will this huge
amount go? It will
be provided to the same agencies, which need huge
funds and want to exert
Now they will spend the money for their expansion and
their importance. I will give you an example. Drug smugglers
over the world are in contact with the US secret agencies. These
agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking
because their importance will be diminished. The people in the US Drug
Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could
show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General
Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a
scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other US
president, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights
abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it
not that there exists a government within the government in the United
Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who made the
Ummat: A number of world countries have joined the call of the
States for launching an attack on Afghanistan. These also include a
number of Muslim countries. Will Al-Qa’idah declare a jihad against
these countries as well?
Usamah: I must say that my duty is just to
awaken the Muslims; to tell
them as to what is good for them and what is
not. What does Islam says
and what the enemies of Islam
Al-Qa’idah was set up to wage a jihad against infidelity,
to encounter the onslaught of the infidel countries against the
states. Jihad is the sixth undeclared element of Islam. The first
being the basic holy words of Islam, prayers, fast, pilgrimage to
and giving alms Every anti-Islamic person is afraid of it. Al-Qa’idah
wants to keep this element alive and active and make it part of the
daily life of the Muslims. It wants to give it the status of worship. We
are not against any Islamic country nor we consider a war against an
Islamic country as jihad.
We are in favour of armed jihad only
against those infidel countries,
which are killing innocent Muslim men,
women, and children just because
they are Muslims. Supporting the US act is
the need of some Muslim
countries and the compulsion of others. However,
they should think as to
what will remain of their religious and moral
position if they support
the attack of the Christians and the Jews on a
Muslim country like
Afghanistan. The orders of Islamic shari’ah
jurisprudence for such
individuals, organizations, and countries are clear
and all the scholars
of the Muslim brotherhood are unanimous on them. We
will do the same,
which is being ordered by the Amir ol-Momenin the
commander of the
faithful Mola Omar and the Islamic scholars. The hearts of
the people of
Muslim countries are beating with the call of jihad. We are
Ummat: The losses caused in the attacks in New York
and Washington have
proved that giving an economic blow to the US is not too
experts admit that a few more such attacks can bring down the
economy. Why is al-Qa’idah not targeting their economic
Usamah: I have already said that we are not hostile to the
States. We are against the system, which makes other nations slaves
the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and
economic freedom. This system is totally in control of the American
Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is
simply that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews
and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by
them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel,
which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the US is not
uttering a single word.
Ummat: Why is harm not caused to the enemies
of Islam through other
means, apart from the armed struggle? For instance,
inciting the Muslims
to boycott Western products, banks, shipping lines, and
Usamah: The first thing is that Western products could only
when the Muslim fraternity is fully awakened and organized.
the Muslim companies should become self-sufficient in producing
equal to the products of Western companies. Economic boycott of the
is not possible unless economic self-sufficiency is attained and
substitute products are brought out. You see that wealth is scattered
all across the Muslim world but not a single TV channel has been
acquired which can preach Islamic injunctions according to modern
requirements and attain an international influence. Muslim traders and
philanthropists should make it a point that if the weapon of public
opinion is to be used, it is to be kept in the hand. Today’s world is of
public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its
pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained,
everything that you asked for can be done.
Ummat: The entire
propaganda about your struggle has so far been made by
the Western media.
But no information is being received from your
sources about the network of
Al-Qa’idah and its jihadi successes. Would
fact, the Western media is left with nothing else. It has no
other theme to
survive for a long time. Then we have many other things
to do. The struggle
for jihad and the successes are for the sake of
Allah and not to annoy His
bondsmen. Our silence is our real propaganda.
Rejections, explanations, or
corrigendum only waste your time and
through them, the enemy wants you to
engage in things which are not of
use to you. These things are pulling you
away from your cause.
The Western media is unleashing such a baseless
propaganda, which make
us surprise but it reflects on what is in their
hearts and gradually
they themselves become captive of this propaganda. They
become afraid of
it and begin to cause harm to themselves. Terror is the
weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using
against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche
of the people of Europe and the United States. It means that what the
enemies of the United States cannot do, its media is doing that. You can
understand as to what will be the performance of the nation in a war,
which suffers from fear and helplessness.
Ummat: What will the impact
of the freeze of al-Qa’idah accounts by the US?
Usamah: God opens up ways
for those who work for Him. Freezing of
accounts will not make any
difference for Al-Qa’idah or other jihad
groups. With the grace of Allah,
al-Qa’idah has more than three such
alternative financial systems, which are
all separate and totally
independent from each other. This system is
operating under the
patronage of those who love jihad. What to say of the
even the combined world cannot budge these people from their
These people are not in hundreds but in thousands and millions.
Al-Qa’idah comprises of such modern educated youths who are aware of the
cracks inside the Western financial system as they are aware of the
lines in their hands. These are the very flaws of the Western fiscal
system, which are becoming a noose for it and this system could not
recuperate in spite of the passage of so many days.
Ummat: Are there
other safe areas other than Afghanistan, where you can
Usamah: There are areas in all parts of the world where strong
forces are present, from Indonesia to Algeria, from Kabul to
from Bosnia to Sudan, and from Burma to Kashmir. Then it is not
problem of my person. I am helpless fellowman of God, constantly in the
fear of my accountability before God. It is not the question of Usamah
but of Islam and, in Islam too, of jihad. Thanks to God, those waging a
jihad can walk today with their heads raised. Jihad was still present
when there was no Usamah and it will remain as such even when Usamah is
no longer there. Allah opens up ways and creates loves in the hearts of
people for those who walk on the path of Allah with their lives,
property, and children. Believe it, through jihad, a man gets everything
he desires. And the biggest desire of a Muslim is the after life.
Martyrdom is the shortest way of attaining an eternal life.
What do you say about the Pakistan government policy on
Usamah: We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of
erected a blockade in front of the wrong forces and stood in
file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope for the Islamic
Its people are awakened, organized, and rich in the spirit of
They backed Afghanistan in its war against the Soviet Union and
every help to the mojahedin and the Afghan people. Then these are
Pakistanis who are standing shoulder by shoulder with the Taleban. If
such people emerge in just two countries, the domination of the West
will diminish in a matter of days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and,
God forbid, if a difficult time comes we will protect it with our blood.
Pakistan is sacred for us like a place of worship. We are the people of
jihad and fighting for the defence of Pakistan is the best of all jihads
to us. It does not matter for us as to who rules Pakistan. The important
thing is that the spirit of jihad is alive and stronger in the hearts of
the Pakistani people.
Copyright Ummat in Urdu, BBC translation in
(3) Interview with Muhammad Bashir, who lives next door to
“compound” of Osama
TV Report Contradicts US Claim of Bin Laden’s Death
By Dr. Paul Craig
Global Research, August 06, 2011
6 August 2011
my recent article, “Creating Evidence Where There Is None,” about the
alleged killing of Osama bin Laden by a commando team of US Seals in
Abbottabad, Pakistan, I provided a link to a Pakistani National TV
interview with Muhammad Bashir, who lives next door to the alleged
“compound” of Osama bin Laden. I described the story that Bashir gave of
the “attack” and its enormous difference from the one told by the US
government. In Bashair’s account, every member of the landing party and
anyone brought from the house died when the helicopter exploded on
lift-off. I wrote that a qualified person could easily provide a
translation of the interview, but that no American print or TV news
organization had investigated Bashir’s account.
An attorney with a
British Master of Laws degree in international law
and diplomacy, who was
born in Pakistan, provided the translation below.
He writes: “I have no
problem with being identified as the translator,
but would prefer to remain
The translator provides these definitions and
“Gulley” is generally referred (in Urdu) to a sidewalk or
for the space between two houses.
“kanal” is a
traditional unit of land area, so that one kanal equals
exactly 605 square
yards or 1/8 Acre; this is equivalent to about
Muhammad Bashir refers to himself as “We”. This is common
language for the self; to use the plural term instead of
English language equivalent would be the “Royal,
Urdu is the national language and lingua franca of
I have translated the entire text of the
have tried my best to keep words in a chronological order, but in some
this is not possible, as in translation words must be replaced in
order to make sense! However, I have had to put a few words in
clarify meaning. If you want to ask about any section –
please supply time
stamp and I will supply a contextual text.
welcome back! – Muhammad Bashir, Abotabad Area, Bilal Town
Looks like an ordinary person, but he is no ordinary person!
Bashir, lives in Abotabad’s, Bilal Town Opposite Bin Laden’s
Night of 2nd May Muhammad Bashir was on the roof of his house,
whereupon, the entire OBL, American operation was seen with his own
Last night, when our team was in Abotabad, Bilal Town, near OBL
Muhammad Bashir approached me and said that:
“Sister, I want to
tell you something that is a great burden on my heart
and conscience” –
Listen to what he said:
00:59 Muhammad Bashir: I.. today… would like to
comment about todays
Abotabad operation events, until now, what I am about
to say, no person
01:08: Reporter: But, Muhammad Bashir
sahib appeared frightened. While
speaking to me, Muhammad Bashir sahib
phoned his relative; leader,
M.E.A. of Jamaat-e-islami, Abotabad, Abdul
Razaq Abaasi on the phone.
01:21: reporter: Tell me your name and where
do you live?
Muhammad Bashir: – One minute, first I need to speak to him…I am
to give an interview, a complete interview. Shall I give a complete
interview or half?
Reporter: Complete! – complete!
Muhammad Bashir: I
first need to phone him, I need to speak to him
Reporter: I could
01:39: Reporter: Muhammad Bashir sahib, on that night’s events of the
American operation, that took place, he expressed such comments about
circumstances that have never been expressed before, therefore, we
checked his ID card, his place of residence and we can confirm that he
definitely lives there and we also approached senior politicians and
asked about him, after hearing his comments, we were amazed – now you
watch what he said.
01:57: Muhammad Bashir: The events that happened
are thus; we were
awake, we were not asleep.
02:00: Muhammad Bashir: a
Helicopter came, and circled and dropped some
Muhammad Bashir: in that house… where they are saying; Osama
lives here, on
that house’s roof, they dropped people, after that, the
and went back.
02:16: Reporter: How many people were they?
Bashir: They were ten, twelve people
02:20: Muhammad Bashir: After that it
left and for approximately 20
minutes, there behind us, on those mountains,
it kept going around, the
top of the mountains.
02:27: After 20 minutes,
it returned. When it returned, at that time
there were TWO more helicopters
arrived. One came from the West and one
came from the North. When it
approached for landing, after that…
At this point;Video cut and
02:41: Muhammad Bashir: that helicopter, there was an explosion
it and there was fire within it, immediately, we came out and arrived
there. When we arrived, the helicopter was on fire, it was burning.
After that, about twenty minutes later the Army arrived, the police
arrived. They moved all of us back…
03:04: Muhammad Bashir: …and all the
people inside it, all of them…we
think; if Osama was inside it, or inside
this house – then who took him
to the Americans?
03:16: Muhammad Bashir:
Because America…the helicopters that America is
saying; IT carried out the
operation. If America did this operation and
it’s army came and it’s
helicopter came, then that helicopter that came
from the American’s, within
that, all the people that came, those people
with the explosion were
finished, got destroyed!
03:35: Muhammad Bashir: Within it, there was fire,
those people, all of
03:39: and if Osama was there, they would
have put him in the
helicopter. Obviously, if the helicopter caught fire,
Osama could have
died there. If their own people were gone, (dead) so could
After that, the fallen helicopter was destroyed after this, how
Osama be, with them in America? this is a strange thing!
cut & resumes
03:59: Muhammad Bashir: They are saying we killed Osama
that, they picked him up and took him away.
Bashir: PICKED HIM UP AND TOOK HIM AWAY – how did they
do this? This, what
we are thinking!
04:07: Muhammad Bashir: The Americans’ helicopter that came,
here and got destroyed!
04:09: Reporter: There was only ONE
04:11: Muhammad Bashir: ONE helicopter landed down here, the
helicopter came from above and went towards Mansera. It did not land.
second helicopter landed!
04:20: Only ONE helicopter, that first
dropped it’s passengers, the SAME
returned to pick the people and there was
an explosion within it.
04:27: Reporter: People were inside it?
Muhammad Bashir: People were inside it!
04:30: Reporter: How do you know
04:32: Muhammad Bashir: These people, we seen them all
Reporter: In the helicopter… you saw dead people?
04:36: Muhammad Bashir: We
saw dead people!
04:38: Reporter:How many people?
04:39: Muhammad Bashir:
This, we could not count, within the compound
there was fire.
Muhammad Bashir: and we… the gate was open, we entered the gate,
time the Army had not arrived.
04:48: Muhammad Bashir: Police had not
arrived. Some people from the
agencies, were present, but they did not
prevent anybody, they kept
entering, every person was looking , now, nobody
is saying, but everyone
from the mohalla (neighbourhood) and all the people
present from the
mohalla arrived first. We saw the gate open, we entered
inside, saw the
burning helicopter, the people inside were dead. After that
was lifted. Now, there is nothing there!
05:16: Reporter: How
many dead bodies did you see?
05:18: Muhammad Bashir: Look, you cannot count,
the dead bodies were in
pieces everything else was broken pieces, some here,
some there, some
broken, some half, some like this.
05:27: Reporter: Tell
me fully – what happened?
06:30: Reporter: Tell me the full events
Muhammad Bashir: I told you, this is…
05:32: Reporter: You did not…I cannot
believe this, that’s why.
05:36: Muhammad Bashir: Look, what I have said –
05:39: Reporter: When you saw the American
craft, (Helicopter) what did
you think, why they came here?
Muhammad Bashir: We thought… this is it…why did they came? we
did they come? maybe..we… did not expect them to do
anything, we thought
maybe our Army is arriving at some centre and the
army people were sleeping,
there was no explosions or events taking
place, nothing was happening,
everybody was sleeping, for 20 minutes or so…
06:05: Reporter: The craft
landed in front of your house, how did you
feel about this?
Muhammad Bashir: I thought..just…understand…imagine..we thought
06:13: Reporter: But, how did the Americans
06:16: Muhammad Bashir: This is what I am saying; their Craft came
the helicopter was destroyed, HOW, could they return?
Reporter: Tell me this; you say, that you saw the dead bodies
06:25: Muhammad Bashir: one more thing, Madam, may I tell you;
people who were dropped from the craft, That walkway … that ..where our
gates are…they banged them hard…and shouted… don’t come out…don’t do
this, don’t do that, if you come out you will be shot..we will do this,
we will do that, all the people who were dropped, all of them spoke
Pashtu (Afgahni Language) – Pakhtun!
06:49: Reporter: Who were these
06:49: Muhammad Bashir: This I do not know! Those who were dropped
the craft (helicopter), those people.
06:54: Reporter: This,
somebody else told me – that they spoke Pashtu.
06:57: Muhammad Bashir: They
WERE Pashtun! we do not know if they were
working for the Americans, we do
not know if they were working for
Pakistan, we do not know if they were army
people or civilian, what
people, BUT they SPOKE PASHTU!
You said you heard they were asking for Osama?
07:09: Muhammad Bashir: No,
they didn’t ask me about Osama, they just
said, do not come out, if you come
out from your house, we will shoot you!
07:16: Reporter: Were these Pakistani
Muhammad Bashir: who?
07:18: Reporter: The ones who were saying
that if you come out, we will
07:20: Muhammad Bashir: They
said that in Pashtu!
07:22: Reporter: so did they..were you coming
out…exactly where were
you, where was you standing when this
07:26: Muhammad Bashir: Inside the house, on top of the roof, I was
in the house, just on top of the (flat)roof
07:29: Reporter: from
Above the roof these people in the helicopter…
07:30: Muhammad Bashir: I was
on the roof, sitting, no, lying down, on
the roof,lying and watching this
and what was happening
07:37: Reporter: Fear, was you not afraid? did you not
think to phone
07:40: Muhammad Bashir: From the house, They were
calling me from
downstairs, the children were calling me, come down, come
down, and I
told them stop making noise! go into your rooms, I am watching
happening. Afterwards, I found out about this, that, Osama was
07:53: Reporter: How did you get inside? (the
Muhammad Bashir: where?
Reporter: when there was
Muhammad Bashir: the gate was open, when there was fire, the gate was
08:02: Reporter: The house gate was open?
08:03: Muhammad Bashir:
The outer gate, the big gate, was open.
08:06: Reporter: You came from
upstairs to downstairs?
08:08: Muhammad Bashir: I came down, from my own
house into the gulley,
I didn’t go alone inside the other house, 200 other
people went inside!
Everybody saw it!
08:15: Reporter: All 200 saw the
08:17: Muhammad Bashir: Everybody saw this.Whoever went inside
08:20: Reporting:the events at that time that are in
your mind, please
08:28: Muhammad Bashir: I have told you
this and this, in my mind, this
is what I have seen, when we were there,
when we entered the gate, When
the helicopter exploded, it scattered
everywhere, one piece fell over
there, one fell here, one here, a lot of
pieces fell in the gulley
outside, they reached up to the gulley and our
house and also some
pieces managed to reach onto my roof. so, the area of
the open space
there (in front of the house) is about four Kanal in size. It
is a very
large compound. You cannot see all of it from one location. Four
is a big area, only in a small area you could possibly see everything.
There I saw some people, in broken pieces, someone’s leg, someone’s arm,
someone’s torso, someone’s head. Beside this, I did not see intensely,
who are they, how are they, because I thought that one of our own craft
had fallen and the people within it were our own people. Because they
spoke Pashtu they could be pakistani.
09:35: Muhammad Bashir: but
language does not necessarily mean.. by
speaking it…the American language
could be spoken, the agents can speak
all sorts of languages. It could be
that it is the American army and
they could speak Pashtu and the people
would think that it is our own
09:54: Reporter: Seeing the dead
bodies – did you not feel fear?
09:57: Muhammad Bashir: But we were thinking
about ourselves at the
time, but seeing the dead bodies who felt
10:00: Reporter: When you went inside, what did you do after
did you come out?
10:02: Muhammad Bashir: we came out, our Army
reached there, when the
army arrived, they moved all the people back. Move
aside, move aside! So
we moved aside.Then they closed the area
10:13: Reporter: did Rais see this?
Reporter: where was your cousin?
10:18: Muhammad Bashir: My cousin
was at that time in the house.
10:20: Reporter: Did he go with you?
Muhammad Bashir: He was with me, but I did not notice when he was
10:28: Reporter: Has he returned yet?
10:29: Muhammad Bashir: Yes, he
has returned. They picked him up and
took him away.
10:32: Reporter: What
is he saying?
10:34:Muhammad Bashir: I have not met him yet, he is at home
not let him come out, we are not allowed to visit him, they will
him come out.We have not met.
10:40: Reporter: You was not able
find out, but since when have you been
Bashir: I did not go home, by going home…
Reporter:You have seen the fire you
have seen the bodies how long did
you stay there?
approximately, after five or six minutes, I left and
came out..five, six
minute..what happened …. the reason we left, was
that after we entered,
there was another small explosion, I do not know
if the engine fail and
there was another fire, it was a small explosion,
after this explosion all
the people ran out.
11:06: Muhammad Bashir: when we went out, nobody let us
go back in again.
11:11: Reporter: Besides you, why is nobody else saying
why are you alone in this?
11:16: Muhammad Bashir: Look,
what we have seen, that is what we are
saying and we are speaking for this
reason that, we are sad that such
humble and nice people of our town, that
has never seen such events, no
fighting, no arguments, no animosity, No
murders, such nice people of
ours in this town and they have been branded as
11:43: Reporter: Tell me; two helicopters came, lifted and took
of the people?
11:46:Muhammad Bashir: No – they did not take the
rest of the people,
because they did not even land, One came from the West
and it left
towards the North, the one that came from the North, left
South. They did not land!
12:00: Studio Reporter: these
events that we showed you from Abotabad,
there are many more things that we
discovered about the compound where
OBL was staying, there were vegetables
planted there, what kind of
vegetables, the person who grows the vegetables
is the cousin of this
person (Muhammad Bashir), whose interview we have
extraordinary thing that he has said and he has sworn repeatedly
veracity of his statement. this is from his own account and upon this
account do view this. Yesterday we found out and it has been confirmed
that there were two Ashfaq’s who lived there (in the compound): Mr
Arshad and Mr Tariq who went shopping locally and used to buy
international brands, the items they found in the house, dry dates,
dried meat and things like this, this person who you saw in the
interview in his house there was food from OBL’s house, he was given
Kaabli Pillau (Rice) and such items were presented to him, There the
view of local mosque people, what they think of OBL all these things we
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Reporter: I am now at standing in front of Abdullah Bin Zubair
is the same mosque that is within walking distance from
OBL’s house. Are you
saying that if people found out that OBL was living
here, would they be
1st man: Possibly, people could be happy.
2nd man: He wasn’t living
here, but he was a Muslim, he believed in Allah.
Anyone fluent in Urdu who wishes to dispute the translation
should do so.
I asked the translator if he might contact the Pakistani
organization and inquire if the reporters had further investigated
Bashir’s story. He replied that he could do so, but exactly 24 hours
later “for some unknown reason” the news organization started to
discredit Bashir by connecting “him to his cousin, who is accused of
receiving foodstuffs from the household of OBL.”
Bashir’s cousin is
the person who, according to the reporter (see 12:00
time line) had a
vegetable garden inside the wall of the alleged bin
Laden compound. Is it
likely that with a hunted and dangerous person
hiding within, locals would
be permitted to have vegetable gardens
inside the compound? The cousin’s
vegetable garden obviously had to be
redefined as “receiving foodstuffs from
The translator offers his view on the 13:20 timeline:
final seconds of the video clip contain random people to generate
some kind of sympathy with OBL in the district.
“It would be very
difficult to find people in Pakistan who sympathise
with OBL or the Taliban.
The only people who do sympathise are the poor
illiterate people who do not
know about the religion and can easily be
convinced of a distorted version
Therefore, the closing part of the video contains, out of context
“1st man: Possibly, people could be happy. (Meaning it
is possible that
SOME people could be happy.)
2nd man: He wasn’t living
here, but he was a Muslim, he believed in
Allah. (Meaning; he claimed to be
Muslim, so he must have believed in
“Therefore, it seems that
although initially, the TV station was
overjoyed with this interview, they
changed their tune, twenty four
hours later. (for some unknown
Readers can arrive at their own conclusions. It seems clear
intense pressure and serious threats from the US government, the
Pakistani government fell in line with the US government’s claim that a
commando raid had killed bin Laden and all had returned safely, and that
the TV news organization also got the message to get in line.
likely that the many witnesses who observed the dead from the
crash have been warned to keep quiet. However, a news
one be so inclined, could certainly interview
Bashir and the 200 others who
saw the dead bodies. A good reporter,
perhaps accompanied by trained
psychologists, would be able to tell if
people were lying out of fear and
encourage some to speak anonymously.
I am confident that no news
organization believes that it could confront
such an important US national
myth in this way. The killing of bin
Laden satisfies the emotional need for
revenge and justice. In the
least, a news organization that challenged the
government’s story would
be cut off from all government sources and be
denounced by politicians
and a large percentage of the US population as an
OBL’s death will remain
one of those many “truths” that rest on nothing
but the government’s
(4) Paul Craig Roberts Administration of 2012
a Paul Craig Roberts Administration Would Look Like
Unless I am being spoofed, several hundred readers wrote me in as
selection for President. I am honored. Some asked if I were elected by
write-ins and not instantly assassinated, who would I appoint?
easy question to answer.
Nomi Prins would be Secretary of the Treasury,
and Pam Martens would be
Deputy Secretary of the Treasury.
Rockwell would be the chairman of the Federal Reserve.
would be chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors.
would be Attorney General.
Glenn Greenwald would be Deputy Attorney
Dean Booth and Larry Stratton would be White House legal
Willie Nelson would be Secretary of Agriculture.
St. Clair would be head of the Environmental Protection Agency.
Warren would have whatever post she wants.
Cynthia McKinney would be
Secretary of State.
The CIA would be headed by Ray McGovern and Philip
The FBI would be headed by Sibel Edmonds.
Security would be abolished.
David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage would
head the 9/11 investigation.
Bradley Manning would be in charge of
closing down the torture prisons.
Julian Assange and John Pilger would be
heads of the Public Broadcasting
Gerald Celente would be
White House Press Secretary.
John Williams (shadowstats.com) would be in
charge of federal statistics.
Key members of the Bush and Obama regimes
from the president down, and
every neoconservative would be handed over to
the war crimes tribunal
The Republicans on the Supreme
Court would be impeached and removed from
would be in charge of all federal financial regulatory
Major General Antonio Mario Taguba would be Secretary of
Andrew Bacevich would be National Security Advisor
Lawrence Wilkerson would be Deputy Secretary of State.
Ron Unz would be
chief of staff of the White House.
Norman Finkelstein would be US
Ambassador to Israel.
Noam Chomsky would be US Ambassador to the
David M. Walker would be Director of the Office of Management and
The Israel Lobby would have to register as a foreign
I could go on. There are two or three hundred appointments to
I think the picture is clear. It would be an administration that
represented Americans, not special interests and foreigners, and an
administration that put the country back in order.
But, of course, it
is all a dream. No one who actually cares about our
country is permitted to
serve in public office.