355 Suvurov/Rozen update: was Stalin to blame for World War II?

Suvurov/Rozen update: was Stalin to blame for World War II?

Re item 10, on Suvurov's book presenting evidence that Stalin manipulated Hitler into launching  World War II, two points to bear in mind are:

(a) Hitler had already, in Mein Kampf, set out the goal of building a colonial empire in Eastern Europe to replace the colonies lost in WWI. So, if Stalin set out to attack Germany, he was only trying to "get in first". According to Suvurov, both Hitler and Stalin removed their defences along their common boundary, before the attack.

(b) Suvurov's book Icebreaker has been widely quoted by Hitler-supporters. Yet Suvurov himself is Jewish - his real name is Bogdan Rozen.

Why would a Jew want to depict Stalin as the bad guy? Perhaps because of his turn against the Jews in the postwar years.

(1) Commentary on Solzhenitsyn's 200 Years Together
(2) How The Jewish Lobby Works - Brother Nathaniel Kapner on video
(3)-(5) Afghan documents leak to Wikileaks is disinformation. Elvis is more alive than Osama.
(6) BBC Panorama's whitewash of the Flotilla massacre
(7) Israel "will not cooperate" with UN enquiry on Flotilla massacre if it seeks evidence from Israeli troops
(8) Wannsee Protocol is similar to Lieberman’s plan for the Palestinians
(9) Could Holocaust Deniers claim Refugee status under UNHCR?
(10) Suvurov/Rozen update: was Stalin to blame for World War II?

(1) Commentary on Solzhenitsyn's 200 Years Together
From: Kevin MacDonald <kmacd@csulb.edu> Date: 17.08.2010 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Ch. 22 of Solzhenitsyn's last book 200 Years Together

I have been commenting on the Solzhenitsyn chapters as they appear:

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/archives/MacDonald-Archives.html

Kevin M

(2) How The Jewish Lobby Works - Brother Nathaniel Kapner on video

From: Brother Nathaniel <bronathaniel@yahoo.com> Date: 18.08.2010 09:12 AM
Subject: How The Jewish Lobby Works - (Br N On Vid!)

How The Jewish Lobby Works
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=539

(3) Afghan documents leak to Wikileaks is disinformation. Elvis is more alive than Osama.

From: Elaine Supkis <emeinel@fairpoint.net> Date: 18.08.2010 08:50 PM

Dead revolutionary leaders are far more dangerous than living ones when their spirit rolls relentlessly onwards.

(4) Afghan documents leak to Wikileaks is disinformation. Elvis is more alive than Osama.
From: BBlum6@aol.com Date: 18.08.2010 09:00 PM

> Afghan documents leak to Wikileaks is
> disinformation (it blames Pakistan for loss
> of the war, & claims Bin Laden is alive)

I think Peter Myers is working for the US government, trying to disparage the revelations in the Wikileaks papers.  Good try, agent Myers.

Reply (Peter M.):

If I'm on the take, I wish they'd pay better.

(5) Afghan documents leak to Wikileaks is disinformation. Elvis is more alive than Osama.
From: John Craig <cpds45@bigpond.com> Date: 18.08.2010 06:56 AM

> Afghan documents leak to Wikileaks is disinformation.

Good point. However, if so, it is information war rather than  'disinformation'. Such tactics were very obviously being used against  Saddam's regime at the time of Iraq invasion.

(6) BBC Panorama's whitewash of the Flotilla massacre
From: Sami Joseph <sajoseph2005@yahoo.com> Date: 18.08.2010 10:53 PM
From: Gilad Atzmon <gilad@gilad.co.uk>
Subject: 2 reports (O'keefe & Atzmon) on clumsy BBC Panorama's coverage of the Mavi Marmara massacre..

1 Gilad Atzmon: BBC Panorama, An Exemplary Work of Clumsy Journalism

Tuesday, August 17, 2010

BBC’s Panorama failed yesterday in its attempt to cover the Israeli Massacre on the Mavi Marmara. 'Death on the Med' is an exemplary work of clumsy journalism. It broadcasted video footage stolen  from peace activists on board. It repeated Neocon terminology by referring to Islamic driven political activism as 'Islamism'. It promised to provide some new evidence. But, instead, it recycled footage presented by the Israeli military that has long since been proven (and admitted as) faked. 

To read and watch the videos:

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-bbc-panorama-an-exemplary-work-of-clumsy-journa.html

2. A beautiful gift from the BBC by Ken O'Keefe

If you haven't seen it, look for BBC Panorama’s "Death in the Med" program online, you will be treated to first class propaganda as only the BBC can deliver.
I am one of the passengers/witnesses interviewed for this program and I am very much aware of BBC's role in justifying war and covering up Israeli crimes.

I am in no way naive about this; to the contrary my motivation for the interview lay largely in the all too likely opportunity to expose the BBC. A relevant job considering the BBC's role in the slaughter of over one million Iraqi's, a direct role by virtue of the war they justified. BBC from start to present, justifying Iraq, a massive war crime and crime against humanity based entirely on lies (propagated intensely by the BBC).

To read more:

http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com/2010/08/beautiful-gift-from-bbc-by-ken-okeefe.html

(7) Israel "will not cooperate" with UN enquiry on Flotilla massacre if it seeks evidence from Israeli troops

From: ReporterNotebook <RePorterNoteBook@Gmail.com> Date: 17.08.2010 04:15 PM
Subject: Gaza Flotilla Activists: ... the majority were shot at close range or in the back

Israel May Shun Probe Into Aid Convoy Deaths

Israel is threatening to pull out of a UN investigation into a botched commando raid on an aid convoy bound for Gaza that left nine activists dead.

Dominic Waghorn, Middle East correspondent

Sky News

Wednesday August 11, 2010

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Israel-Threatens-To-Pull-Out-Of-UN-Led-Gaza-Aid-Convoy-Inquiry-After-Nine-Activist-Deaths-In-May/Article/201008215681131?f=rss

The Israeli government said it "will not cooperate" with the United Nations enquiry, if it seeks evidence from the Israeli troops involved.

The Jewish state said it agreed to assist the four-man panel of the enquiry, set up by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, on the understanding soldiers would not be questioned.

But Mr Ban said no such agreement was made. The row has overshadowed the launch of the UN investigation and risks its collapse.

Another enquiry being carried out by retired Israeli judges has now heard from one Israeli soldier, the country's chief of staff, Gabi Ashkenazi.

But it will not hear from the commandos themselves either.

General Ashkenazi has defended his troops use of lethal fire as they raided a flotilla carrying aid at the end of May.

His evidence contradicted claims by those on board the flotilla that Israeli troops opened fire first.

The general said the commandos started shooting after a soldier was hit by a bullet.

"Today, it is clear to us that, as soon as the first soldier had descended to the ship, the second soldier was shot," he told the enquiry.

"The soldiers opened fire only where necessary."

The general said the second soldier to land opened fire after being shot in the stomach.

"He simply pulled out his gun and shot the shooter," Gen Ashkenazi said.

Immediately after the botched operation, the Israeli military said its troops had been shot with guns seized from them by activists.

It has since claimed there is evidence activists had their own guns.

Turkish doctors who examined the dead said the majority were shot at close range or in the back, disputing Israeli claims they were killed as part of life or death struggles.

Gen Ashkenazi rejected Turkish charges that some of the dead had been shot "execution-style" at point-blank range.

He said: "There was an instance when a soldier was being attacked with an axe. Somebody with an axe... that is life-threatening."

An internal Israeli military investigation concluded the operation was flawed with poor preparation and faulty intelligence.

(8) Wannsee Protocol is similar to Lieberman’s plan for the Palestinians

From: Dr. Gunther Kümel <sapere--aude@web.de> Date: 18.08.2010 03:13 AM
Subject: Gilad Atzmon: Israel and the Wannsee-protocol
COMMENT:

There is good reason to believe that the "protocol" of the Wannsee-conference is not genuine, but a fabrication. But even if it was genuine, it simply does not say anything about an extermination. It mirrors a plan to deport the Jews to the East and let them build roads. If this plan had really been existent, it was never realized.

The great humanist Gilead Atzmon reminds us of the facts and reveals that it is the Israelis who perpetrate the crimes allegedly described in the protocol.

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/deception-spin-and-lies-written-by-gilad-atzmon.html

DECEPTION, SPIN AND LIES WRITTEN BY GILAD ATZMON

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 15, 2009 AT 8:07PM GILAD ATZMON

“By way of deception thou shalt do war” The Mossad motto

Less than a week after Ankara cancelled an air exercise with Israel, Turkey’s state-sponsored channel TRT1 broadcast "Ayrilik" * ("Farewell"), a new prime-time TV show that depicts the true image of Israel’s genocidal military operation in Gaza last January.

The Israelis are not happy. "Broadcasting this series is a serious case of state-sponsored incitement. …,” said Israel's Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman this morning. “Such a series, which doesn’t even have a weak connection to reality presents the IDF's soldiers as murderers of innocent children….” I wonder whether one should remind hardliner Lieberman, who happens to be an enthusiastic ethnic cleanser and a proud Judeo supremacist racist, that the reality on the ground last January was ‘connected enough’ to establish a genocidal war crime inquiry and a crime against humanity. It left over 1400 fatal casualties. It also left thousands more injured, most of them children, women and elders. However, for once Lieberman happens to read the map. The Turkish TV-show indeed depicts the IDF’s soldiers as murderers of children women and elders for this is what Israeli soldiers are and this is exactly what Israel stands for politically, symbolically, ideologically and practically.

Though Lieberman tries to appease his Israeli crowd and may even be successful in doing so, his chances to mount pressure on Turkish TV and the government are rather limited. By now we all happen to know Israel is all about the establishment of a ‘Jew-only state’ in a stolen land named Palestine.

As it happens we tend to spend a lot of time writing and analysing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But the facts on the ground are actually very simple. Zionism is an ideology aspired by the plunder of Palestine. Israel has put the robbery of Palestine and the Palestinians into practice. We are talking here about a national revival project that is taking place at the expense of another people. It is a murderous project inherently inspired by the bible and an unethical plundering project of ‘home coming’. It is a lethal combination of some deadly interpretations of the Old Testament together with a non-ethical present. The only question to be asked is how have they got away with it? How do they continue to get away with plunder, murder, spreading white phosphorus and piling up nuclear weapons?

Spin, Deception and Lies are the Answer

A few weeks ago, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu stood in front of the UN waving the Wannsee Conference’s protocols suggesting that he was holding the ‘proof for the Nazi extermination of European Jewry’. With typical histrionics, he pleaded for the nations empathy. “Is this a lie?” he cried out. Embarrassingly enough, though the document he presented to the assembly was genuine, he was actually spinning the usual Zionist lines. The Wannsee protocol refers in a rather general manner, to the deportation to the East of the entire Jewish population from Germany and German occupied territories. Though the document refers to ‘Final Solution’, the very ‘solution’ it prescribed is rather different from the common interpretation offered by the Zionist Shoa narrative. The Wannsee protocol refers basically to a sinister plan to exhaust the deported Jews in hard labour in roadwork.

As much as Wannsee document is devastating, its relevance to the history of the holocaust is rather limited for the ‘Wannsee plan’ has never materialised into an actual operative program. It has actually nothing to do with the historicity of Jewish extermination known as the Shoa. It doesn’t set any plan for death camps or gas chambers whatsoever. As a legal document, it proves nothing but general Nazi inclinations. As a historic document it by no means ‘proves’ the Shoa and the extermination of the Jews, it just affirms that the Nazi regime was committed to the idea of Judenreine (Jews Free). However, this fact is well established and widely accepted even by most if not all holocaust revisionists. As much as Netanyahu insisted to boost the Holocaust with some fresh credibility, he ended up waving a relatively insignificant paper in front of the nations. Needless to say, he got away with it.

However, far more crucial is the fact that the Wannsee Protocol lines out a program that is not that different from Lieberman’s deadly plan for the Palestinians. In reality it is the Jewish state that murders Palestinians en masse and starves those who survive. Moreover, it is very interesting also to elaborate on the following questions: how is it that the leader of the Jewish state is standing in front of the nation and spins in broad daylight in the name of Israel and the name of the Jewish people? What can we learn from the fact that an Israeli leader tries to fool the entire UN assembly? How is it that as Israeli PM manages to divert the attention so easily from his own crimes against humanity that are taking place in the present into a relatively insignificant historical document? In short, how does he get away with it?

The answer may be pretty trivial. Like in the case of the Mossad motto, they make their wars by deception. The entire Jewish revival project is grounded on sets of lies. The entire tale of Jewish ‘home coming’ is nothing less than a daylight collective crime based on false argument and lies again. Initially Zionists were deceiving their fellow Jews but as time passed by they have been extending their tactics. For more than a while they have been spinning us all. The Israelis and Zionists are born into a lie, they live their life through a lie, they tend to believe that they can get away with lies and deception and the sad truth must be said. As far as world leaders are concerned, they actually do. As we know, not a single world leader challenged Netanyahu’s spin at the UN. More disturbing is the fact that not a single historian or intellectual tried to point out to the Israeli PM that more than anything else, the Wannsee Protocol actually describes his own policies at home.

Very few World Leaders have the guts to oppose the Zionist spin operation. Recently we have witnessed the courageous Iranian Mahmud Ahmadinejad, Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez and Turkish PM Tayyip Erdogan. This is not a lot considering the level of colossal atrocities committed by the Jewish state. However, it is better than nothing.

The good news is that Humanism and Humanity is not exactly in the possession of politicians or so called ‘world leaders’. It is actually our property, the members of the human race, the people out there who happen to witness the emerging evil. True Humanity and Humanism is delivered by kindness and an aspiration for ethics and truthfulness. In most cases it is actually artists and ordinary people who transform Humanism into a vivid message. Our elected interventionalists, for some reason insist on dragging us all into more and more Zionist wars in the name of the holocaust, democracy and liberation’.

Tragically enough, our Western leaders are still silenced or at least 'captivated' by Zionist lies. But this shouldn’t be a major concern anymore. The betrayal of Western ideologies (left, right and centre), politicians and institutions are an established fact. Succumbing to Zionist lies is apparently just one symptom amongst too many. Not only that truth will win, it is actually winning already. The identification of the Zionist spin is becoming common knowledge. As the foggy cloud of the Zionist brutality expands we all develop a growing yearning for some beams of truth and grace. We are beginning to grasp that they make their wars by the means of deception. They may win a few more pyrrhic battles but they are losing the war.

(9) Could Holocaust Deniers claim Refugee status under UNHCR? Peter M., August 19, 2010

I myself am not a Denier; I ran a debate on this topic at http://mailstar.net/holocaust-debate.html

Consider Alexander Solzhenitsyn's statement (below) that 6 Million died in the Ukraine famine - and the world did not notice. Nor, I understand, are there any monuments to it in Washington.

How to apportion blame? Stalin obviously has a share. But Kaganovich too, and Khruhschev, and many Jews in the upper echelons of the Party in Ukraine. Also Trotsky, because he had called for Collectivization, from the sideline - setting the agenda. Also the peasants, because they refused to farm once their land was appropriated.

Why are 6 Million Jews more important that 6 Million Ukranians? Or 30 Million Chinese?

Given that Holocaust Deniers are being imprisoned, when other kinds of Denial are tolerated, they should be able to claim Political Persecution.

If courts refuse to cover them under the UNHCR (see criteria below), this would show that the legal system itself is biased.

Alexander Solzhenitsyn Speaks to the West

Bodley Head, London, 1978

{p. 7} 30 June 1975

Mr Solzhenitsyn delivered this speech in Washington, DC, at a dinner ...

{p. 15} This was a system which, in time of peace, artificially created a famine causing six million persons to die in the Ukraine between 1932 and 1933. They died on the very threshold of Europe.

{p. 16} And Europe didn't even notice it. The world didn't even notice it. Six million persons!"

{endquote}

http://www.unhcr.org.au/basicdef.shtml

Who is a refugee?

A refugee is a person who "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country…"

Article 1, The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees

The most important parts of the refugee definition are:

 Refugees have to be outside their country of origin;

 The reason for their flight has to be a fear of persecution;

 The fear of persecution has to be well-founded

 The persecution has to result from one or more of the 5 grounds listed in the definition, that is race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion;

 They have to be unwilling or unable to seek the protection of their country.

(10) Suvurov/Rozen update: was Stalin to blame for World War II?

From: IHR News <news@ihr.org> Date: 09.08.2010 09:00 AM

Was Stalin to Blame For World War II?
Tom Segev - Haaretz (Israel)
http://www.haaretz.com/magazine/friday-supplement/was-stalin-to-blame-1.228553

Published 00:00 31.08.07

Latest update 00:00 30.08.07

Was Stalin to blame?

Does the history of World War II need to be rewritten? Was Pinhas Lavon a dove and Moshe Sharett a hawk? And a spot of trouble at The New York Times.

By Tom Segev

Mischa Shauli sat at the National Archives in Washington, D.C., completely beside himself. It had been years since the first time he heard about the existence of a document said to prove that Stalin, not Hitler, bore the main responsibility for World War II, and for years he had searched for it with all his skills as a professional detective. Shauli's last position was as Commander Shauli, Representative of the Israel Police in Russia. Previous to that he had been head of the police fraud investigation unit for the Southern District.

A few years ago Shauli read "Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War," by Bogdan Rozen. Rozen, who now lives in England, wrote it under the pseudonym of Viktor Suvorov. Shauli, impressed by the book, translated it into Hebrew and saw to its publication here.

From out of the sea of details, a coherent thesis emerges: Stalin dragged Hitler into war to force Europe into chaos and facilitate a communist revolution on the continent. According to Shauli, there is evidence to back up this theory, including a speech by Stalin himself as well as a report obtained by the U.S. Consulate in Prague. The report has been mentioned here and there over the years, but it has never been published, because no one knows where it is today.

Shauli, 59, believed that the definitive evidence was out there, hiding somewhere. He believed, and did not give up, repeatedly setting out to find it, going as far as Washington. No one is happier than he is today: The document is in his possession, and now the history of World War II may have to be rewritten: It was Stalin's fault.

The document, from October 1939, consists of three pages in English that purportedly reflect a dialogue in Moscow between a delegation from Czechoslovakia and a senior Soviet Foreign Ministry official. The Czechs tried to find out why the U.S.S.R. had signed the nonaggression treaty with Nazi Germany, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of August 1939. A few days later the Germans invaded Poland, and World War II began.

The Soviet official, Alexandrov by name, explained to the Czech delegation that had the Soviet Union signed an agreement with the West, Hitler would not have dared to launch a war, and without that war there would have been no possibility of imposing communism in Europe. He also listed the benefits to the Soviet Union of the pact with Nazi Germany, and of the war.

The veracity of the document must be proved, and even if it turns out to be genuine, its significance is worthy of debate. Mischa Shauli is continuing his investigation. No, he said this week, he does not fear that shifting responsibility for the war from Hitler to Stalin "acquits" Hitler; he is responsible for other crimes.

Between Sharett and Lavon

The horrific proposals for military action in the Gaza Strip and along the Syrian border proposed by defense minister Pinhas Lavon and published in this space last week, on the basis of pages from the diary of prime minister Moshe Sharett that had been hidden, provoked numerous responses. Many of those who wrote sought to defend the image of Lavon as a hero of the dovish left. Some respondents mentioned Eyal Kafkafi's biography of Lavon ("Lavon: Anti-Messiah," Am Oved, in Hebrew, 1998). In the meantime, the Israel State Archives published a book on Sharett, and it became clear that the man who in the 1950s was known for his dovish policy began his public career as a man whom the Israeli right could embrace today.

Dr. Yossi Amitay, a historian of the Middle East who was active in Mapam (a precursor of the Meretz party) and is a former director of the Israeli Academic Center in Cairo, wrote about Lavon in the Hebrew Internet magazine Al Tzad Smol ("on the left side").

"Lavon went through several stages in his public career that affected his political behavior. When he started out he was a leader of Hapoel Ha'tzair, the 'dovish' wing of the Labor Movement and Mapai," Amitay related. "When he was appointed deputy defense minister, in 1953, he sought to ingratiate himself with the young, adventurous upper ranks of the Israel Defense Forces and approved horrific reprisal operations .... After he was thrown to the dogs and established the Min Hayesod ["from the foundations"] group, Lavon came back to himself, as it were, and expressed clearly dovish outlooks, along the lines of 'Suffering purifies man's sins.'"

With Sharett, the process apparently worked in reverse. This man from Israel's "Mayflower generation" has not yet been done justice in writing, and thus there is great value to be found in the heavy volume issued this week by the Israel State Archives, edited by Louise Fischer, as part of a series edited by Yemima Rosenthal.

There is much interest in the latest volume. It begins with remarks written by Sharett in 1914 to graduates of the Hebrew Gymnasia of Jaffa, in which he declared that the Arabs are "our mortal enemies." He compared them to Amalek and described the rivalry with them as a kind of fatal decree that cannot be changed, and that therefore there is no point in promising them friendship and peace.

In addition to perceptive comments on the tortured relationship between Lavon and the intimidating father figure of David Ben-Gurion, the book contained information that contributes to an understanding of the relationship between Sharett and Lavon. Lavon occasionally supports Sharett's positions, but generally posits opposing ones. The archive quotes, for example, a speech Lavon gave at Kibbutz Afikim in which he declared that the U.S. is Israel's enemy.

Sharett attributed to Lavon responsibility for the failed Israeli intelligence operation in Egypt, the "esek habish" (commonly known as the Lavon Affair), although he did not claim that it was Lavon who gave the order for the operation. He eventually found himself defending Lavon against Ben-Gurion in the affair. According to the state archives, Sharett feared that Lavon would commit suicide if he were found guilty of giving the order to carry out the operation in Egypt.

Time and again

The New York Times recently shared a problem with its readers: The newspaper is deluged with repeated letters from people who complained in the past, sometimes years earlier, about what they claimed were incorrect or unfair articles. It happens because the original article appears at the top of Internet search results from the paper's archives. With a single click it all starts again and many people are hurt once again. The paper's editors and various experts are at a loss for a solution. An existing article cannot be corrected, and it is impossible to review every article. Here's a free tip to the NYT: To every article that is on the Internet, add a general note saying that it was prepared in keeping with all professional principles, as well as an additional warning on any article about which a complaint was received following its re-publication on the Internet.